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... So, was I the only person that was kinda bored with these fights? Not to take away from the fighters, but there was definately something missing from this event. |
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... Big props to my team mate Kreg "Homicide" Hartel...you da man!! Way to represent PWIA/Major!! |
Dinstitute
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... What was wrong with the fights? Why were they so boring? Matchmaking, Entertainment, etc? |
old fella
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... Theuy had some good brawls but there were some boring ones.. Mostly Debut brawlers. Maybe the amount of indie fighters? I enjoyed some of the fights... maybe not enough local fight teams? Not sure but i know what they are talking about... I thought things were well run tho |
tattooedMailman
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... ONE OF THE RING GIRLS FELL OUT OF THE RING!!! NOW THAT WAS EXCITING!! (HOPE SHE DID NOT GET HURT) |
MMAbuzz
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... Nothing against the fighters but some of those bouts were boring. I think we are passed the 'swing like hell and hope for a knockout' phase of local MMA. Now it's 'don't get hit, take him down and choke him out'. The only bad thing is most the new fighters don't know chokes. I saw more headlocks than chokes being displayed, which does lead to a boring fight. The only solution (it seems) is for these guys to step up their knowledge with BJJ and submissions. The local fighter is improving, but with so many shows going on I think we are back to the 'we need a body in there' phase. And looking at the fight calendar the shows are NOT slowing down. |
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... Should there be a minimum training time requirement to fight on a card. It's fine to have debut fighters but ones that have been training only a month or two? What does everyone think? I've had this conversation with others before. |
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... TO ANSWER ERICS QUESTION WHAT RIGHT DO WE HAVE TO TELL ANY FIGHTER OTHER THAN ONE THATS IS REPRESENTING OUR OWN GYM WETHER OR NOT HE IS READY TO FIGHT.INDEPENDENT FIGHTERS AS WELL.WE TRY TO TAKE DEBUT FIGHTERS AND MAYBE MATCH THEM UP TO WHAT WE THINK TO BE A GOOD MATCHUP. YOU DONT REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU GOT TILL THEY GET HIT AND SEE HOW THEY REACT.IF THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO FIGHT THEN YOU DONT USE THEM AGAIN, BUT TO DENY THEM A CHANCE, WELL WE REALLY DONT HAVE THAT RIGHT. THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD TALENT OUT THERE, SO SOME OF THEM DO DESERVE A CHANCE.WE HAD ONLY TWO INDEPENDENT FIGHTERS ON THIS CARD AND ONE WON AND ONE LOST, THAT MEANS EVERYONE ELSE WAS PART OF A FIGHTTEAM.THERE WERE 9 DIFFERENT FIGHTTEAMS REPRESENTED.THESE WERE THE FIGHTERS GIVING IT THERE ALL, DONT CRITIZE, IF PEOPLE OUT THERE WANT BETTER THAN STEP UP AND TRAIN HARD AND GET OUT THERE AND PRODUCE.THANKS TO ALL WHO DID STEP UP. |
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... Yeah, looking at the card I was thinking to myself "who the hell are these guys". Bottom line is this, everyone knows which shows are worth paying for and which are not. Why do guys keep supporting crappy shows? There's plenty to choose from out there. |
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... Not to get in the middle, but I think the best thing as a coach is to give a time limit, liek 6 months. I know from the stand point were I trained, that was kind of the norm. For example, a friend of mine Joey who i trained with, wanted to fight before he even came in our gym, and though he would just go in there to get a fight, and when told he would have to train for a while he did. 6 months later after he won his first fight, he was happy he was told to wait. I mean its commendable to want to go in there right away, but I think its a coaches job to make sure they are ready. |
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... Fighting is not a right, it's a privilege. Promoters should do their homework on a fighter before throwing them in the ring. I'd love to play in the NBA but you don't see Coach Karl throwing me in the Nuggets rotation just because I think I'm ready. |
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... Kurt, Can you play defense? If so maybe Coach Karl should let you have a chance, cause his guys aren't playing any D right now....lol. I'm a huge Nuggets fan, but they might not even make the playoffs with the talent they have that is unspeakable. |
MMAbuzz
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... Go Pistons! The West Coast playoffs are gonna be fun to watch. I hope the Nuggets make it in, but highly doubt it. The East Coast playoffs will be boring as usual. |
KPEAZY
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... Don't highly doubt that Mike, my boys will be in...It may be with the 8 seed, but oh well, they will be in! |
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... hello again,to everyone out there who went to one of the 3 shows that were held this last weekend, i hear all this talk about fighters who should not be fighting because you think they wernt ready,go ahead and lets hear some names.let these guys know who they are and what you think of the effort they put forth.im sure there coaches would like to know your oppions as well.as i said befor if you think you would do better, get off the couch, put down the bag of cheetoes, train your ass off and go out there and prove it.i talked with a good amount of people who did enjoy themselfs and for the 5 or 6 who seemed to have not enjoyed themselfs our next show is may 30th, im sure there is a good episode of lost or american idol that you can stay home and enjoy watching on tv, to the other 1200 or so that did enjoy yourselfs ill see you on the 30th of may.again you shouldnt critize unless you think you can do better, and get out there and prove it.to all the fighters who stood up and gave us their blood, sweat and tears, great job and dont worry about what a certain few may think about you, i dont see any of them in there.congrats to all of you. |
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... Listen, not trying to pick a fight here, but how come it always comes down to that with you. No one is insulting your promotion at all, every promotion has a car dthat just doesn't play out to well. !) to be honest, if I had their names, I would tell them. s**t I have friends who fight, who I give my honest opinon about, and in the end they respect me. During those fights I saw a lot, and i mean a lot, of very beginers technigue that could of been done on the ground, and it wasn't. it's nothing about 'if we can do better" its about being an observer of the sport we all love. I am glad a good amount of people enjoyed your show, but I will tell you a good amount more then 6, at the show, told me they did not. its not "critisizing" or "talking s**t" man, its called constructive critisim, and you as a coach, and trainer shoudl know that fighters are going to have to deal with it their whoel carear, and you shoudl be happy to hear it, and maybe help fix the problems that people saw. A lot of people had a problem with stuff that NME did, but a lot of those same people now have no problem because you guys fixed those issues. just look at it like that. BTW I have, and will continue to train, and I trained with one of the best teams in town, and I think, even if i didn't, and as fan, and someone who was a paying customer, I have the right to give my opinon as long as it is not childish, nor insulting. It is a fact, with the over saturation of local MMA in Colorado, promoters need fighters, thus gyms who shouldn't even be training MMA (no not yours chuck) are making "mma fighters" and having them fight. i will give an example, a newer MMA gym that had fighters on the last TOS had guys fight against out guys. The new gym fighters got gassed, and pretty much looked horrible in every aspect. Well out of the 6 fighters from their gym that fought on that card, 4 came to our gym, and were blown away at how we were training basic drills, and didn't even have no idea about traingle chokes, nor arm bars. Yet these guys were paying gym dues, and fighting for this "mma gym". in the end, I beg you not to take what I am saying as trash talk, but as somehting i observe. |
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... My free opinion here ... I thought the production was run well and I always enjoy seeing Shawn Ramsey, Ron Muir, Kyle Johnson fight.. and how about this Garcia kid? he is gonna be a monster! Generao Gaballero could be the real deal... Time will tell. Kreg Hartel now from PWIA props to him of course my peeps there... But his fight was good to watch, Tyrone Wright Another Watch your asses middle weight folks this cat is gonna be around and kicking some ass... Francios Viray ?? Tough kid fun to watch.... Boomer Kelley I love watching him brawl... Tuff as nails and entertaining.... All that being said I thought there were a few snoozers as well. It happens ... Hell we have all watched snoozers on UFC cards.. So it just happens. Hard to predict. Snoozers can be seasoned or new fighters ... More experienced fans will be bored with head school yard head licks and hip throws and there were indeed some of those. But those are the fights where you get up and go pee. lol I see both sides but hell I had a good time .... |
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... I agree with Boomer, and the last two fights were on point, I was really getting into Kyle's fight, to bad that injury happened, I was def zoned in on that one. |
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... BTW I will probably check out the next card if the main event , or a fight on their intrests me. |
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... I think Dinstitutes question about minimum training time would make a great question of the week Mike ;) |
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... I agree Kate.. To that point how would it be determined? I think there are alot of questions to be referd to that one question... Mikey? |
MMAbuzz
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... CLARIFICATION: In the photos I took this of this show the girl who sang the National Anthem (don't know her name), you can see a dark circle peeking out the top of her dress. That is NOT a nipple slip, but a tattoo. I sent the photo to to Colorado Springs CSI and it was just confirmed this morning.* *Not really. |
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... I will add that question for tomorrow. I have a good one already picked out but I will bump that one to next week and use DInstitute's question for this week. I think it's a great question that we all can weigh in on. |
ShannonBerry
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... For the record, I was not at the show, nor would I ever attend a NME "show". I was simply commenting on the quality (or lack of it) of the card. *POST EDITED PER REQUEST* |
Dinstitute
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... I'll be looking forward to the QOTW tomorrow. I'm curious what everyones opinion will be on this one. |
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... So Im not going to come on here to support or go against anyone but only to comment on what shannon said. whether you like it or not fighters HAVE to start somewhere. Not everyone is as fortunate to be able to make their debut at Ring of Fire like I was. EVERYONE at one point was a debut fighter and they have to make there way.Unfortunatlly, there are many promotors that dont let debut fighters on their cards because THEY WONT MAKE $$$$$$$ ON TICKETS. So to say the least im suprised that you of all people come on here saying negitive things like that. When you used to fight.....back in the day.....I know for a fact that some of the places were questionable... But you did it because you loved the sport. To say BOTTOM OF THE BARRELL.......well not the best choice of words. Pacific Warriors and Joint Forces had people on this card and I know from personal experience that you are way WRONG. I have trained at alot of the gyms in Colorado and that is a personal stab at me. Please confirm what you mean and who you are talking about instead of being so vague and wide open. Pacific Warriors, Joint Forces and of coarse the Defense Institute are all one in the same to me and at any given time would love to train with these people. ok that is all...... |
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... hello again,i welcome the oppions of any fan that had attened the show on friday night.i dont mind any of the comments written other than the comment by shannon berry.the shows are gettin better and the fighters are not the bottom of the barrel type of fighters. in fact 18 of the fighters were fighting on our show for the 1st time.we are looking to give fighters as well as the fans a chance to show what they got as well as to see what they got.not all fights go the distance but as long as they give a 100 percent that should earn your respect.there is a lot of talent out there and a lot of good matchups for the future. |
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... I know this point has been beaten to death but to those of you who think that our feelings about this promotioin was geared to the fighters maybe you should read some of the posts. In my opinion, regardless if I am on my couch, eating nachos or at the event, I want to get some excitement for the money I am paying. I am sorry but I don't pay 25 dollars to go watch at least 3 to 4 fights end in a guillotine choke in a row. If you are taking this as an insult maybe you should take some of this as constructive. I give mad props to anyone who decides to get in there and go at it. I know that when you are fighting you are just trying to win. I think the responsibility of trying to get a great show is on the promoter's shoulders. Maybe there should be a better ratio of debut fighters to established fighters. I also want to take the chance to give mad props to Eric Lalone when it comes to sending fighters into the ring. I have yet to see him send in someone that was simply not ready. Not to say they have all won, but if they lost it wasn't due to the lack of skills. I think that what mike mentioned earlier was spot on. With the amount of promotions going on it seems everyone wants to be represented in the ring regardless of the outcome. I don't know though, I guess I can't have a actual opinion if I am not in actually in the ring. Stupid of me to think that the fans should have some say in this though. I guess I will just go back and sit on my couch with my cheetos and watch some Lost. Mike, once again great coverage as usual. And to the fighters of bout 11, great effort. I am just guessing, but it seems that both fighters were dissapointed with the outcome. |
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... It's the friendly neighborhood Apple Juice Man here. This was an interesting thread...to start, Eric, like you, my coaches don't believe in sending a fighter to the ring without proper training, and a good set of lungs. I have to agree whole-heartedly with that as well. I would say six months is a decent amount of time to pick up some tools, if you've never been involved with any form of martial arts. If you have, then I would still have the fighter wait awhile until I was comfortable with their abilities in all aspects of the fight: standing, clinch, takedowns (defense), and ground. Just my two cents on that one. As for Chuck, come on, now...stop being sensitive. If the show had that many debut fighters, just take the criticism for what it's worth. You run the risk of that and more with putting on that many debut fighters (didn't someone say 18??) Grain of salt, man, grain of salt. Shannon, you seriously needed to choose your words a bit more wisely. Let he who is without 'sin' cast the first stone. Don't go belittling the fighters, camps, and fans just because you have a beef with the promotor. I'm sure you've dealt with some interesting shows as a fighter in the past, so step off of your soapbox and keep your beef to yourself. Oh, and Chuck...quit hatin on Cheetos! And LOST for that matter! I happen to like both! LOL! Nah, just playin. If you all want to go up in arms about something, why not raise hell about that movie up on the banner, "Never Back Down"!!! We all know that looks like a horrible movie! But the real question is this: how many of us are going to "sneak" and go see it??? LOL. Deuces!!! |
ChrisZacher
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... I love Lost, and my wife keeps trash talking me about how I will watch that movie, and you know what, she is probably right. BTW again I state, Lost...best show eva. |
Jody ~ Fight Manager for Joint
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... I want to say first of all that the shows are all different but if it goes over without total destruction of the venue then each promotion should be given credit for the hard work that goes into the shows. It doesn't matter who runs the venue, it takes time and money and effort on the part of every person that is involved in the shows right down to the fighters. So insults should be carefully directed as clearly stated by a few here. Second of all for anyone who has been in this business you all know that sometimes a fight can be really good and sometimes a fight can be less then phenominal. Either way there is no way to tell what the result of those fights is going to be. I debuted 2 am's on this fight. One win, one loss. To each fight there could have been a different outcome and no one knows considering they have not fought before. I thank anyone who will give my guys a chance to get in there and try because no one knows how a person is going to do in the ring or cage until they get there. I have seen some guys that I thought totally ready long before I managed, just from their performance in the do jo, go in and take a hard core beating. So overall I am saying you won't know until the fighter gets in the ring or cage how it will go because they have not been there before and how will we know if they don't go in there. From each of these experiences we gain knowledge about the fighters, go back to the training room and make them a better fighter. It helps us as managers to know what direction to take and without the experience then we have one less way to make that person a better athlete. To all the fighters that were on this show, high fives for going in there because a lot of people will not even step foot in a ring or cage! You all did your best and that is all that matters. For the wins congratulations and for the losses, go back to the drawing board and next fight will be a little better! |
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... Hoepfully they will have a cool montage song liek "you're the best around" if I could walk around and have that song play when ever I entered a room, that would be cool. And to Jody I see your point, but to have so many on a card, can make a card not so good. Its cool to have debut fighters, but I think you get what I am saying. The whole "bottom of the barrell" comment IMO was out of line, but to have so many debuts kind of kills a card. well at least IMO. |
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... Seems like a good forumla for a local show could be: Main Event (1 or 2 FIGHTS): PRO vs. PRO (optional) PRO vs. PRO Main Card (4 TOTAL FIGHTS) : PRO vs. PRO Amatuer (5 fights) vs. Amateur (5 fights) Amatuer (3 fights) vs. Amateur (3 fights) Amatuer (1 or 2 fights) vs. Amateur (1 or 2 fights) Amatuer (1 or 2 fights) vs. Amateur (1 or 2 fights) Undercard (4 TOTAL FIGHTS): Whatever mix you want, this could be all amateurs That makes 9 or 10 total fights, which to be completely honest is enough for me. Saturday's PCF/RMBB show had 9 total fights and I felt that people got their money's worth. And whoever stole Rocky Johnson's belt REALLY got their money's worth. Oh, and I would make sure one of those fights had Kreg Hartle on it, dude is fun to watch and a class act inside and outside the ring (see interview above). |
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... And everyone is entitled to their opinion and Chris if you know anyone who says that you know it is me. I am making clear on a level it is inappropriate to be insulting the Team's and the fighters. Everyone that takes the time to train and try should be patted on the back for that and last time I checked there are no low rate fight teams or "bottom of the barrell" teams around here. We may differ on how we do it but we all train hard. |
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... to clarify what i had said earlier there were 18 1st time fighters on the show, only 11 of those were debut fighters, the rest had experience, just 1st time on a no mercy show.and i also like lost and american idol for the record. |
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... Never back down is going to cause a collective GASP all around the MMA universe, as we will be forced to bear witness to awesomely bad, overdone fight scenes. The lil dude doing all of the flips and stuff? Come on!!! While I do publicly hate on the movie, I'll be that dude in the back with the stunner shades, a big brimmed hat, and a hoody on...secretly enjoying the extreme cheese factor! LOL!! Now back to the previous debate: I will be back Colorado Springs! And when I return, Sexy is coming with me!! That's right! I'm bringing Sexy back to Colorado MMA!! LMAO!!! I've already got a plan for my return. From music to clothing...oh yes. It will be great!!! |
MMAbuzz
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... I like American Idol too. But, Lost, well that show is for losers *points to Zacher, Chuck, and Damon* *turns TV to TLC for recorded episode of 'What NOT To Wear'* |
mrmusclemaker
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... Props to all the guys who are fighting I am stoked for tommorows Question Burp... ooops cheetos damnit |
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... Wow, seems like my comments really stung. I'm a bit reluctant to post here now if my opinion's (which are usually based in fact) are just going to get edited. Fact: I DO have a personal grudge against NME. Not just because of the way they used me but because of the poor shows they put on. And for that I will always call them out on poorly produced shows. Get used to it. Fact: I like Chuck Daily. Chuck, I hope my comments don't effect you personally. Chuck's a good guy involved in a poor promotion. For the record, I don't think I said anything about "bottom of the barrel". Anyway, I DID say something along the lines of NME using sub-par talent I believe. Let's all face it, IT'S A FACT. These words basically came out of the mouths of people who attended. Comments about poor technique, school yard chokes, getting caught by crappy front chokes, etc. These comments all point out the fact that many of these fighters are/were not ready. I see this at every show, it's nothing new. It just seems that NME shows are filled with this. Too much so. I do not attack or belittle the fighters for getting in there and trying. More power to 'em! Anybody who thinks I'm coming down on them is WRONG. I'm coming down on the promotion for using a card of almost all newbies just for the sake of putting on a "show". It shows a complete lack of respect for OUR MMA community. NME is relagated to doing this because many people want nothing to do with them. Putting on shows like that only hurts the scene and leaves a poor impression on the casual fan. I also blame a lot of the camps for putting fighters out there before they're ready. There SHOULD be requirements before entering the ring. I would never allow someone to represent my name without having a FULL understanding of the basics of MMA. Fact is, there are a lot of guys out there claiming to be coaches that don't know much themselves. This is one of the biggest problems with CO MMA (south of Denver anyway). I'm not going to point fingures or name names, everyone kinda knows what's up there. If more gym's took Eric's approach, we would be a lot better off for it. Although I don't believe a fighter has to kickbox before MMA, I do believe that there should be some sort of "level" attainment before fighting. Unfortunately, this doesn't happen in a lot of gyms. ***I've gotta do this in two parts due to the system. |
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... Part two: Scrooge McDOOM, I'm not sure who you are but I'll address your questions/points. First, if you feel I was directing any comment at you personally, maybe you should ponder that for awhile...there must be some scense of subconcious guilt there, huh.? I'm assuming you're some sort of coach/etc.? Have you been guilty of putting "fighters" out there before they're ready? If so, I'll be happy to discuss my opinions of that face to face. I'm no keyboard warrior who is here just to stir stuff up. I stand behind what I say. The points I make on this subject are based in logic and fact. You say that you're surprised to hear me say the things I did.? I don't understand why. I've been involved in this sport since almost the beginning. Why would I want someone damaging our sport. That's exactly how I feel about NME. If you don't see it, I'd sure like to enlighten you a bit. Nobody can honestly say that they see NME as a reputable company.? Can you guys not see the reality? Maybe not. Maybe it's just my deep involvement with many quality promotions over the years that makes me critize the poorly run ones. You mentioned the possiblity of me having fought in less than stellar places or for questionable promoters. I can honestly say that I've never fought for anybody I thought was less than honest. I have fought in some hole in the wall places though, no question about that. Then again, things were different in the '90's, lol. In this day and age, there's no reason to support promotions that are hurting the sport. Even in those days, I personally didn't fight until I was ready and would have never even thought of letting anyone else do so. You made this comment: "Unfortunatlly, there are many promotors that dont let debut fighters on their cards because THEY WONT MAKE $$$$$$$ ON TICKETS". You can put debut fighters on cards and still make money. Steve Alley does this very well. NME seems to take the exact opposite approach though. Not using "name" fighters in an attempt to save money. In the end, it's all about making money. NME just does it the wrong way. Maybe it's because a lot of gyms/fighters don't want to be associated with that type of promotion. It seems to me that the top gyms/fighters are staying away from them which leaves them picking up the rest. Damon, I don't understand why you think I'm in the wrong. You basically stated the same things I've been saying in your post. Maybe the impression is that I'm belittling the fighters.? I hope I've squashed that one.? All fighter's get my respect, even if they aren't ready. The fault lies with the gym's and promoters. If I need to clarify anything, please let me know. Am I standing on a soapbox, maybe. Someone needs to! I was there when our sport was in the dark ages. I've seen MMA come a long way. I don't want any back sliding going on. I see NME as a huge back slide. This type of fight card reminds me of the days of the club/bar fights where the cards were made up on the spot. In the couple years I've been here in CO I've seen the local scene make a huge improvement. From the shows to the fighters to the gyms. I hope it keeps up. I'm here trying to make sure that happens. I don't think I've said anything that warrents editing. It seems to me that I was edited because NME was butt hurt over my comments. I hope I've clarified my position enough for those who thought I was harsh. Maybe I'm still a bit harsh on some "camps". If I am, it's because they deserve it. Let's face it, there are still improvements to be made in our local scene. It's 2008, not 1999. It's time for more professionalism. I plan to do my part. You? |
ChrisZacher
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... you all think that movie will suck? you think lost and American Idol are bad? well guess what, it's 853 pm, and my wife is watching some Model/Fashion award show on Bravo. Dear god help me. 7 min sand my son goes to bed, and I can watch the Unit Season 2 on DVD. |
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... Just for the record Shannon; It was my outlook a number of years ago(in fact it was a requirement to fight for me) that you should have 2 kickboxing matches. The reason being because at the time their was a big influx of fighters that had NO STANDUP what-so-ever. They were going to the gym and a lot of trainers heard the same thing. "I don't like getting hit, I think I'll just do MMA" I didn't want that going on in the school so I put that requirement in. Jump ahead a few years ... Kickboxing matches are very hard to find. They are almost non-existant in the state of Colorado. I had to change with the times and have people fight MMA right off the bat. We just pushed the harder sparring in the ring to substitute for the lack of kickboxing fights. We have done just that and have been pretty successful with it. I appreciate the kind words about my approach. I to remember the days when cards were made up on the spot and the talent pool was less than stellar. I'm looking forward to the question of the week tomorrow and I hope that we get a lot of imput from all the fighters and camps. I know that I told all my students to be on the lookout for it and to post their opinions. I also told them to remember that they are representing more than theirselves so be respectful. I hope that everyone takes that advice. |
Scrooge McDOOM
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... Shannon, I know that its not a stab right at me but it effected me the same. We have met many times in ring of fire. Im Drew KNapp. like i said i wasnt commenting to go for or against just on the comment itself. As always i get along with everyone...lol......unless im drunk and people spill a beer on me from the top tier....that makes me angry...ol |
papa doc
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... I must say that I think Shannon has definately said what alot of people maybe p**sy footed around. I still hope that people don't think that anybody was here to s**t talk any fighters. I am not exactly sure who said it, but whoever said that you never know what a fighter will be like until they get into the ring, I agree with that to a point. But, i also think that a competent coach(not a stab at anybody) would not want to risk the fighters health. I have yet to see anyone pillow fighting in these rings/cages. If a fighter gets injured in there how would it affect the person responsible for sending them in their. If you have a fighter that you are fully confident in, then by all means send the guy in there. I just think that some people need to realize that they are supposed to not only help build a fighters career and skills, they need to protect that fighter. Also in a buisness sense, these guys are like the Gyms buisness cards or a product. I think people need to take a look on what they try to put their name on. Looking forward to the QOTW. |
ShannonBerry
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... Eric, keep up the good work. Drew, I've never visited your gym and don't know much about how/what you teach so I have no comment there. Maybe we should train sometime.? I'm getting that itch again. It's been about three months so I'm passed due, lol. papa doc, we seem to be like-minded. I wish there were more of us! |
peaches mcgee
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... hey.... let the fighters fight, who cares if its there debute or they arnt known or they are independant. i personaly think chuck does a good job at matching the fights |
Dinstitute
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... Peaches McGee: There is a huge conversation about this entire topic over at the question of the week. I've taken the liberty of reposting this comment over there. |
