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... I spoke to the promoter today and there will be a fight card issued a little later this week (Thursday?). I applaud them for doing this. They listened to the voice of the fan and that means a lot. Also, the folks at No Mercy are good people. They are putting a lot of work into this show and I'm sure it will turn out great. Make sure you come back to MMAbuzz.com for fight results and photos. |
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... The show is Fri and they're going to release a card Thur.? LAME! Doesn't matter though, I'll tell ya right now what it'll look like: no name fighter vs. no name fighter no name fighter vs. no name fighter no name fighter vs. no name fighter half assed fighter vs. no name fighter no name fighter vs. no name fighter half assed fighter vs. waist of oxygen you get the picture. |
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... I think N.M.E has the potential to be one of the top shows around here! I think you guys should give these promotors a little bit of a break because I dont see anybody else stepping up and taking the risk of putting one of these shows on! Just lay off and things will start to get better for all the shows! This negative outlook on all the Teams and Promotors is part of the reason I dont fight here anymore. The F@#$%^^ Politics is doing more damage than we realize. Support the sport dont tear it apart! KO_ |
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... Holy crap! Does anybody recognize the names on that card? I think I recognize maybe one or two. I hope these out of towners bring it and aren't the usual scrubs NME puts in the cage. |
ChrisZacher
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... KO supporting the sport is calling out BS when you see it, not just dealing with it. Thats called being a sheep. |
ChrisZacher
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... I can't believe I am saying this, but you folks need to calm down i know crazy huh, man I think people need to relax. Its all good. Deep breaths.... damn I still can't believe i am saying this. |
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... It is good to see out of town guys coming to the springs. Gives the local guys a break. I dont know what fights that guy was watching at the last nme fighting event. Everyone put on a great showing and each and every fighter deserves congrats. There are a couple of different shows coming up (one in august) from other promotions in southern colorado so we will have 4 promotions to choose from not just two. So we will have plenty to choose from. |
johnsonm
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... In my opinion if the David guy feels that bad then maybe he shouldn't go to any of thier shows. Again there will be plenty to choose from. |
nmefighting
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... The Eric Nelson - Desmond Barella fight has been change to: Ron Muir (Tool Shed) Will be replacing Eric Nelson (Kongo Do) Due to a Broken foot. This is why we dont like to release the card until the last minute. |
ChrisZacher
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... if you don't like releasing cards, then how do you expect people to get hyped for your show? |
MMAbuzz
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... To me fight cards are like the weather. I depend on them to get a general idea of who's fighting, but if it changes, well, that's cool to. Every show has changes, no fight is guaranteed until the fighters are in the ring and that bell sounds. |
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... I heard at the fights on Saturday that the one and only Tito Ortiz is coming to the fights this Friday. Any truth that you guys know of? |
David
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... Okay, I'll lay it all out for you (as to how I feel about NME) just so you know where I'm coming from. First of all, these people know nothing about MMA and even less about promoting it. They're a couple "Johnny come latelies" trying to cash in on the popularity of the sport...period. The only thing they've done right is throw some flashy lights around. The fights suck. They don't know how to put a card together (I'm starting to think maybe there's a lot of guys out there that won't fight for them now, as evidenced by their current card). They don't know how to build fighters up and create a draw. You know what, I'm not going to continue with this list and give them all the answers to their problems. Like I said, they know absolutely nothing about the business and don't belong in it. These people are like leeches trying suck what they can out of our sport. And for the record ('cause I know they're thinking it) I'm not tied to Tap or Snap in any way. I prefer the Denver shows. |
ChrisZacher
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... me and brendon vs tito btw, tito would win because brendon would get all giddy and not help. |
David
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... Also, I've got nothing against bringing guys from out of town in. I think it's needed more. But the RIGHT people need to be brought in. Not a bunch of first timers. The reason I like the Denver shows better is due not only to the professionalism shown but also the level of skill those guys show. |
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... Two things on this. I also heard at the Tap or Snap that Tito was coming to the show on Friday. This was amoung people in the crowd. I asked a couple of trainers and fighters about it but nobody heard anything, so I thought it was identical to when they were bringing out Randy Couture and then George St Pierre. I think if it was true that would be plastered on every TV and Radio station from Texas to Montana. 2nd, the Denver shows have been going for a lot longer. These C/S shows are still building up so you gotta give them time. The ACF was a Denver show and look what happened to them. |
ChrisZacher
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... and lost a s**t load of money on the card. Starting MMA shows needs to be a slow process. |
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... I agree with david. I prefer the Denver shows to. No mercy is just jumping on a good thing and bringing it down in the process. This is what there 4th show. It's going to be dead. I don't know about the production but the actual fights suck. Like david said before. half assed fighter vs. no name fighter, no name fighter vs. no name fighter, half assed fighter vs. waist of oxygen. This is what happens when chuck dailey is match making your cards. When ever his fighters go up to Kickdown you see the same thing. A bunch of easy wins for the other guy. You might see one or two guys win but they never stay with him, they usually go to the tool shed and go a lot farther. Donnie Liles and Brandon Odell to name too. Chuck dailey is just bad for MMA. |
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... The ACF went under because of the promoter. It was actually a decent show with good fighters. I didn't care for some of the extras of that show but it was entertaining. I think Tap or Snap has been around long enough to be matching what we see in Denver. In fact, Tap or Snap has probably had WAY more shows than any promotion in Denver. At least it seems that way. If there hasn't been more then they're very close in count. There's been times where TOS has had shows almost every couple weeks. In this area that's over saturation. TOS has definately improved over the last few months or so. I've been seeing better cards and improved venues. I think they should bring back some if the "show" elements though. Stuff like video screens (it's hard to see the action sometimes), fighter statistics, etc. All of the Denver shows have this stuff. |
ChrisZacher
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... I thin what TOS is trying to do the anti NME by not having all of the hype. But I do have to agree with to many shows. maybe, maybe just once a month would be great. and with the guest, i agree about chuck, and its evident all of his fighters are leaving, even some started their own gym. |
MMAbuzz
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... Totally agree on the live video feed. Plus it's great to see replays right after a fight (a la how Steve Alley does it at the Kickdowns). As far as Denver shows go, I've never been disappointed with a Steve Alley production. Steve does a great job of thinking 'fan first' and doesn't put too many extras into a show, but always leaves the fans entertained. |
ChrisZacher
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... I think the hardest thing with the video and soudn stuff is finding someone reliable to do it. |
ChrisZacher
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... but replays woudl rock, plus maybe commenating so someone i kow can do it again. |
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... In answer to the NME cards being no named fighter vs no named fighter. I can't talk except for what I saw. I watched the first show they had and it had some really talented fighters on it. Josh Huber vs. Santana Martinez. Huber fought for a title at kickdown. Martinez just fought his first pro fight vs. Cameron Dollar. Kyle Johnson vs. Gabe Charboreau, Kyles a kickdown champ and Gabe is very well respected and a great fighter. Vincent O'Donnell, Shawn Ramsey, etc. So they have put on a show with some really good local fighters. I didn't see the other shows except through video on the net. TOS also puts on some really good shows. I don't know, Im just sick of all the bashing going back and forth. Both shows have their ups and downs but at least they are puttin on shows for us to see some local fighters put it on the line. I'll be honest the best local show I have seen was the Kickdown at the Budweiser events center, but I've also enjoyed all the TOS and the one NME I went too. Enough with my rant, just wanted to throw my opinion out there. |
ChrisZacher
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... K dogg, a lot of those fighters who you named who fought on the first show, wont fight for them again. |
nmefighting
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... The Ron Muir - Desmond Barella fight has been change to: Frank Cotto (indep.) Will be replacing Ron Muir (Tool Shed) Due to a Torn Groin ( happened last night). See here it goes again. Sorry guys no Tito at least not from us, I have no idea where this one came from???????? |
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... Lets take a look at the fighters that Chuck Dailey started with and are no longer with him. Chilo Gonzales gone Donnie Liles gone Brendon Odell gone Mark Korznowski gone Gary Borum gone Corey hill gone Chris Zacker gone This is just to name a few, there are a lot more that i can't remember. These are just the guys that don't train with him anymore, how about the guys that wont even fight on a Mo Mercy card because of the mismatches. |
nmefighting
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... As far as fight schools refusing to fight for us that is the politics you see all over these discussions. Pretty crazy. |
MMAbuzz
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... "As far as fight schools refusing to fight for us that is the politics you see all over these discussions. Pretty crazy." I have never heard a fighter say 'I will never fight for that promotion again.' My take is fighters are going to do what is best for them regardless. If they think it's a good fight to take then it doesn't matter when/where/or who's involved. I've know a lot of fighters who have been mad at different promotions, but then you see them fighting on it a week later. |
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... Mike, I disagree with you. Sven Bean won't allow his fighters to fight on certain cards. Steve Alley the same way. There have been certain shows that I don't allow my guys to fight on. You're right there is a lot of double talk but not all of it. |
Mr. Roller K.O.S
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... actually people not fighting for you guys is because you lump groups of people together and say if you're affiliated with these guys we don't want you fighting for us, thats the reason why you kept me from fighting in your last show.... and that was not your decision but chucks even though you both placed the blame on each other i knew who made the final call. i could care less if you want me on your card cause i'm going places and have a huge following and in my opinion it is your loss. i may not be the best fighter but i never fail to put on a show win or lose. You kept me from fighting in your event so now i only fight denver events and TOS. if anybody wanted the perspective of a fight team I.e KOS or fighter that will not fight in their event its not politics its cause people are a**holes and I will say that not because i am pro TOS but because its the truth... I do personally hate this back and forth s**t but if its going to keep getting all this hype I think that if NME keeps coming strong at the end of the year there should be a TOS vs. NME fight set up every weight class nme's best vs tos' best for the best in springs. instead of bickering, its obvious we are all stubborn and set in our ways so instead of ruining each other maybe the promos should try to make each other better and help mma thrive here in the springs... |
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... Here is my take. A promotors job is to put on a show. A lot of the guys who are first time fighters will fight on whoevers card will give them a shot. They don't care and just want to fight. I have never seen a promotor say "no you cant fight for me because it's your first time" they can look on paper but at an amateur level, even the matchmakers are relegated to whatever information they have available or what is being purported by the fighter. In my almost 14 years around the fight game ive seen guys who have no business going pro-do so just to have bragging rights then get $%@#$ up, Ive seen guys who have a ton of fights lie just to get an easy opponent, which is bs too. David Don't blame the fighters who just want to get in there and fight because they love to fight, i mean what promise is there of an actual fight career for most of these guys? they are in there to test themselves, and see what they can do, some get a firm wake up call the momement they get hit and say uh, ok, this isnt for me, and others excel under pressure, this is where they find that out an amateur level. If you want to see just pro-level fights, watch ufc. MMA was built on the premise of guys who were just willing to fight, and didn't care who it was for, and as for the people I know personally who have fought on NME this was true too. they are there to fight, not to be business people. MMA BUZZ hit it on the head, a fighter is going to do what is best for them as with ANY athlete. David let me ask you, are you a competitor? If you are then you should understand that. |
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... This is a point of contention for a lot of schools and fight teams. Competition is not about testing the waters. That is what the gym is for. Training for 4-6 weeks is not sufficient time to get ready for a fight. There are all sorts of people willing to fight. That's where the Tuffman craze came about. MMA is much more than a glorified Tuffman card. |
KPEAZY
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... I agree with Roller as well...Shoot, put the resources together...put on a card at the world arena, I think you could fill that place pretty much up and put on the best local show anybody has seen. |
MMAbuzz
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... And save me all the time of having to friggin approve all these comments...........as good as they are...... |
guest
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... i think that nme would do a lot better with a better matchmaker. whoever they have over there doesn't now anything about mma. theres a difference between first time fighters and picking any bum off the street and asking him to fight. |
ChrisZacher
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... I do have to agree with guest, i think its a general consensious, no one likes their match maker. |
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... N.M.E nobody faults the promoter when a fight card changes due to injuries, relax. At least you posted one this time |
johnsonm
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... Wow these guys used to train with this guy. Actually that says a lot for him if these guys got thier start with him. I understand that after a while you have to move on to bigger things. But if they got thier start with him then how is that a bad thing. Everyone has to start someware and these guys have made it to the big shows. So that tells me that he had a lot to do with it. These are some of the best names in the state. Chilo Gonzales Donnie Liles Brendon Odell Corey hill |
johnsonm
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... sorry i am getting in to this. the more i check this guy out. It looks like his team " Kongo DO" holds several belts and it looks like more than any other fight team in the state. From what i can tell three of his guys hold a denver promotion "kickdown" titles and nme title and even an iska title. How can this guy be so unqualified?? just asking. |
ChrisZacher
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... lol, at your whole gimmick. The dude is a laughing stock, and teh only reason why those guys "started" there was because there were very few places ot train. Also if you, btw i think this is chuck, actually been there, the dude has no idea what the hell he is doingwhen it comes to MMA. What he does is have his best student at the time teach the classes, and takes the credit. Don't even try to argue that, because there are probably over ahundreed people who can back that point up. also lying about training teh US Judo team is an all time low. |
ChrisZacher
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... also "more belts then any fighter int he state" is becaus ethat were everyone used ot go, their amature WW kickdown champ is a very good fighter, not because of chuck, and all of their "NME champs" are just that because they were set up with "indpendednt" fighters. |
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... Johnsonm has a good point.I think that there can be mismatches in any amateur promo just depends who is really there to fight.So will cards ever be perfect? Doesnt matter what show.Its a good thing we have multiple shows for amateurs to get in. |
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... As far as Chuck goes,I dont think he is that good at setting up mismatches to have several champs.To earn a belt, from the fighter stand point, its not going to be just handed to us without the hard training and detication.Whether your with kongo do or any other .you still have the team to get you ready.doesnt necessary mean you have to be train by one guy(chuck) |
ChrisZacher
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... yeah but to call youself a MMA trainer, which chuck does, you need to know what the hell you are doing, which he doesnt. |
CMR
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... I give chuck credit for setting up fights and holding a training facility at the same time keeping amateur as well as pro mma in colorado.Also to all the other promos as well.KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK |
guest
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... if chuck is such a solid trainer, why did Brian Lee let him go and tell him he didn't want him back. why are all his current students leaving him not for more experienced teams but because hes not showing them anything. i agree with chris, it must be chuck or one of his croanies. listen dont drink the coolaid, DONT DRINK THE COOLAID. chuck is a bad influence on mma, he will lead you down a road of getting your ass kicked. just ask any of the people that used to train with him, like chris zacker. ask them why they dont anymore. |
KO_ARTIST
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... Ok! I would like to know if you guys have trained at Kongo Do before? I did for a year and it was just like any other gym Ive trained at because the "1 Guy" the trainer doesnt always teach the whole class we all kinda helped each other out no matter where ive been! When I trained with Marco Ruas and Rinnato I didnt get taught by Marco all the time so I think this BS name bashing should come to a stop and just let the fans decide whos who in C Springs for MMA! Yah I left Kongo Do but not because of the trainer but for other reasons. There are some bad a#$ teams all over colorado and some not so great ones but I promise you the ones who are true will still be here no matter what event is around right? Remember us fighters are what make the sport and all this negative he said she said BS isnt what we need to hear! So anyway why dont we talk about Ring Girls or something LOL! KO_ |
David
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... First of all, I never said anything to the effect that fighters shouldn't jump at the chance to fight. I don't blame the fighters at all. What I do have a problem with is promoters making almost an entire card out of newbies. Sencondly, Chuck Daly has had almost nothing to do with the success that any Kongo Do fighter has had. These guys win their fights through determination. That and easy competetion in many cases. Belts in this state are a joke. If you fight long enough your chances of getting one are pretty good. If you throw enough fighters in the ring you're going to get plenty of them. My hope is that some day the scene here will improve and match that of the rest of the country. Side note, I came here from San Diego, CA where there are lots of good trainers and fighters. I expected more from the scene here given the number of promotions and shows. I've trained at a few of the gyms here and have not found anything worth paying for. The only person I've been impressed with is Shannon Berry. His ground knowledge is up there with the Black Belts I trained under in San Diego. Unfortunately he's not teaching anywhere right now. I trained with him and a couple other guys over where the Tool Shed is now located (I haven't trained with the Tool Shed but I hear they're pretty good). When I saw Shannon the other night at the TOS show he mentioned that he might try to open a gym. I think he got burned out on that when he was down in Mississippi though. Gyms I've been to: the one Shannon was at (it didn't have a name - Tool Shed gym), Kongo Do when it was at the Palace - that was a joke, and a couple places where it was just some guys training together, basement type stuff. It's my understanding that the Tool Shed is the best place in town. Any other suggestions? |
CMR
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... NME rings girls are better...ha ha////Just kidding..ALL rings girls rule.Can never have to many rings girls. |
nmefighting
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... Well got another change to the card to report. Seems Ricky Lavato got hurt and is being replaced by Brendon Hall. As for ring card girls we do have a new girl for this show. She is out of the Hooters at the Citadel. her name is Ashley plus we will have a couple of easyrider girls there in leather and chaps from Retro-Active of Woodland Park. |
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... doesn't always teach the class is a LOT different from never teaches... just saying, and yes, I've trained at kongo do |
CMR
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... Ive trained with kongo do and i plan on getting back in there.Good training as far as im concerned.ive had a few bumps in the road but i definety can be sure i will be ready to fight once im with them guys including chuck, |
David
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... Wow! You guys need to get out try some other gyms. The garage training I've done here was better than Kongo Do. I learned absolutely nothing there. I at the blue belt level in BJJ though. I could have been the instructor there. |
ChrisZacher
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... Team Agoge has great training. I am telling you, the training there is levels beyond teh s**t i saw at Kongo do around teh 04 time era. Not to plug it or anything, but that is a great school too. Also the toolshed is very good also. You should stop by agoge sometime and check it out. |
Dinstitute
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... I am going to plug a school, The Defense Institute! We have two 6,000 square foot locations. Each one boasts a huge training mat, a full boxing ring, multiple hanging heavy bags, all the training equipment you could possibly need such as focus mitts, thai pads, kick shields, speed bags, double end bags, and our south location offers a 24 hour access gym. This is on top of some of the finest instruction in the state. You'll see Mike Ruman, Kpeazy, and a number of guys on MMAbuzz.com training here on any given night. I also have a lot of respect for Keith Wilson at the Tool Shed, and Spencer Hooker at the Round One facility. Either one of those guys will give you the skills needed to win. We would love to have you come out to a class. Please feel free to call me, Eric LaLone, at 630-8373 or email me at This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it |
haumana2000
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... MUAY THAI FILIPINO DUMOG/BUNO VEE ARNIS JITSU (LAST YEAR ERIC LALONE TAUGHT A TON OF MMA APPLICABLE MAT |